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	<title>Comments on: Isaiah House, Santa Ana</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liberty Restoration Community Development Corporation, 12415 Wardline Road 70401 in Hammond, Louisiana 985 340 7033, is a 501c3 nonprofit. We provide therapeutic counseling services to substance abuse men and women. We have two shelters for these homeless individuals. The Fire Marshall says in order for us to keep the shelters open, we need to install Sprinkler Systems in our shelters. We cannot afford the systems and really need them donated to us, or funds made available to us. Please help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberty Restoration Community Development Corporation, 12415 Wardline Road 70401 in Hammond, Louisiana 985 340 7033, is a 501c3 nonprofit. We provide therapeutic counseling services to substance abuse men and women. We have two shelters for these homeless individuals. The Fire Marshall says in order for us to keep the shelters open, we need to install Sprinkler Systems in our shelters. We cannot afford the systems and really need them donated to us, or funds made available to us. Please help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ashli Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ashli Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have volunteered at the Isiah House with the North Park Middle School Band. It was one of the most amazing things I have ever been a part of. While playing with all the children and taking them birthday presents and seeing their faces light up is something I will never forget. I will always cherish it and Dwight and Lea are two wonderful people. I hope to get the chance to volunteer again. &lt;3
God Bless.
Ashli Rodriguez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have volunteered at the Isiah House with the North Park Middle School Band. It was one of the most amazing things I have ever been a part of. While playing with all the children and taking them birthday presents and seeing their faces light up is something I will never forget. I will always cherish it and Dwight and Lea are two wonderful people. I hope to get the chance to volunteer again. &lt;3<br />
God Bless.<br />
Ashli Rodriguez</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LA Times: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-isaiah18feb18,1,4879537.story&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Financial crunch halts renovation of homeless shelter&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA Times: <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-isaiah18feb18,1,4879537.story" rel="nofollow">Financial crunch halts renovation of homeless shelter</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just got another long, detailed, negative comment from &quot;christine&quot; about the OCCW. These negative comments more or less directly contradict my experiences there over several weeks in 2003. But I guess a lot could happen in 5 years. If anyone wants to post more negative information on their own blog, I would link to that, but I am not going to host any more negative comments here (unless *really* well documented by the author) until I have a chance to visit the OCCW again and see how things are going. (I hope this will not be too far in the future...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just got another long, detailed, negative comment from &#8220;christine&#8221; about the OCCW. These negative comments more or less directly contradict my experiences there over several weeks in 2003. But I guess a lot could happen in 5 years. If anyone wants to post more negative information on their own blog, I would link to that, but I am not going to host any more negative comments here (unless *really* well documented by the author) until I have a chance to visit the OCCW again and see how things are going. (I hope this will not be too far in the future&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Adri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all I would like to thank Dwight and Lea Smith for what they have done to help all the homeless.  I haven&#039;t had the pleasure to meet them personally but have read what many people have written about them and I can tell they are very admirable people. I have been blessed to have a roof over my head, but I know that there are a lot less fortunate people out there and it saddens me that we have many people that can help them out but instead they just looked down on them. They aren&#039;t less people just because they live on the streets, I&#039;m sure that they don&#039;t live there by choice but because they have nowhere to go or anyone to give them a helping hand.

Please send me a little more info about donations/items you are looking for? What type of volunteer services would you like/accept and what age groups are in this program? What kind of programs do you offer children when they are off from school?

Please email me with the information and keep my address confidential, Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I would like to thank Dwight and Lea Smith for what they have done to help all the homeless.  I haven&#8217;t had the pleasure to meet them personally but have read what many people have written about them and I can tell they are very admirable people. I have been blessed to have a roof over my head, but I know that there are a lot less fortunate people out there and it saddens me that we have many people that can help them out but instead they just looked down on them. They aren&#8217;t less people just because they live on the streets, I&#8217;m sure that they don&#8217;t live there by choice but because they have nowhere to go or anyone to give them a helping hand.</p>
<p>Please send me a little more info about donations/items you are looking for? What type of volunteer services would you like/accept and what age groups are in this program? What kind of programs do you offer children when they are off from school?</p>
<p>Please email me with the information and keep my address confidential, Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Alecia. I used to work at the OCCW. There is a reason why so many others that worked there are no longer associated with it. Many, many shelters are set up to pimp out the poor for dollars. And I wish volunteers would really ask the hard questions of accountability and get over feeling guilty for not being as &quot;Saintly&quot; as the people running these programs. Questions like, why is this place so filthy? How much time does it take to turnover donated items? Why has that family been living in this back yard for the last 5 years? And why isn&#039;t their addiction issue getting addressed here? How are the resources being allocated? There are very real reasons for why some people are destitute. Food and shelter is a good cause. Warehousing the poor is not. And not even bothering to address their underlying issues is morally criminal. Making people live among vermin and infection and treating them like animals when the donors are away is the worst sin. Yes, many homeless are difficult cases to handle. Perhaps we should get a better class of homeless? BUT blind donors and volunteers enable this kind of abuse and whoring by only being superficially involved. Let&#039;s face it, there is nothing romatic about working with the poor. They smell bad and behave worse. And many cases are hopeless. What then?
Let&#039;s get away from the typical discussion of &quot;legality&quot;. What is morally correct? The more a shelter guilts you into giving time and money, the worse abusers they are. Time, talent and then tresure will make a structural change to this issue and end these abusers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Alecia. I used to work at the OCCW. There is a reason why so many others that worked there are no longer associated with it. Many, many shelters are set up to pimp out the poor for dollars. And I wish volunteers would really ask the hard questions of accountability and get over feeling guilty for not being as &#8220;Saintly&#8221; as the people running these programs. Questions like, why is this place so filthy? How much time does it take to turnover donated items? Why has that family been living in this back yard for the last 5 years? And why isn&#8217;t their addiction issue getting addressed here? How are the resources being allocated? There are very real reasons for why some people are destitute. Food and shelter is a good cause. Warehousing the poor is not. And not even bothering to address their underlying issues is morally criminal. Making people live among vermin and infection and treating them like animals when the donors are away is the worst sin. Yes, many homeless are difficult cases to handle. Perhaps we should get a better class of homeless? BUT blind donors and volunteers enable this kind of abuse and whoring by only being superficially involved. Let&#8217;s face it, there is nothing romatic about working with the poor. They smell bad and behave worse. And many cases are hopeless. What then?<br />
Let&#8217;s get away from the typical discussion of &#8220;legality&#8221;. What is morally correct? The more a shelter guilts you into giving time and money, the worse abusers they are. Time, talent and then tresure will make a structural change to this issue and end these abusers.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam (Southern California)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam (Southern California)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an interesting article on zoning laws and churches:
http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13298

I know that in California, at least, houses of worship can&#039;t be excluded from any zone, although they may be subject to other zoning laws. I.e., you can&#039;t forbid a church from opening up in commercial or residential zone, but you can place restrictions like a height limit on the building, other design standards, etc. I think things like restricting hours of operation and the like may fall into a legal gray area; I&#039;m not sure.

I think it may take some sort of precedent-setting court decision to declare that housing the homeless is a religious freedom that can&#039;t be restricted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting article on zoning laws and churches:<br />
<a href="http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13298" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=13298</a></p>
<p>I know that in California, at least, houses of worship can&#8217;t be excluded from any zone, although they may be subject to other zoning laws. I.e., you can&#8217;t forbid a church from opening up in commercial or residential zone, but you can place restrictions like a height limit on the building, other design standards, etc. I think things like restricting hours of operation and the like may fall into a legal gray area; I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>I think it may take some sort of precedent-setting court decision to declare that housing the homeless is a religious freedom that can&#8217;t be restricted.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam (Southern California)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam (Southern California)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - How would you differentiate between a homeless shelter and a house that houses many homeless? I&#039;m asking both from a conceptual standpoint, and also as a practical manner when dealing with city officials and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; How would you differentiate between a homeless shelter and a house that houses many homeless? I&#8217;m asking both from a conceptual standpoint, and also as a practical manner when dealing with city officials and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike (Worcester)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike (Worcester)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://thechristianradical.blogspot.com/2007/06/social-vocation-of-church.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;related item&lt;/a&gt; from Christian Radical:&lt;blockquote&gt;[Tenth Avenue Church] is concerned that the decision to classify &quot;ministry to the poor&quot; as &quot;social service use&quot; and not a &quot;church use&quot; is a precedent-setting decision. Although the church has complied with the conditions of the permit, and desires to work in cooperation with the neighbourhood, it is still not in agreement that the additional permit is required for these core ecclesial activities.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://thechristianradical.blogspot.com/2007/06/social-vocation-of-church.html" rel="nofollow">related item</a> from Christian Radical:<br />
<blockquote>[Tenth Avenue Church] is concerned that the decision to classify &#8220;ministry to the poor&#8221; as &#8220;social service use&#8221; and not a &#8220;church use&#8221; is a precedent-setting decision. Although the church has complied with the conditions of the permit, and desires to work in cooperation with the neighbourhood, it is still not in agreement that the additional permit is required for these core ecclesial activities.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Mike (Worcester)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike (Worcester)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if you&#039;re not a homeless shelter? What if you have a house and house the homeless because it is your duty as a Christian? Do you think anyone who houses a non-relative should be licensed? This seems silly to me.

What if you have a county, like Orange County, that&#039;s not serious about seeing that every child has a place to live? Is it better for a child to have a crowded, home, or no home at all?

I can understand why a group that receives government money, or operates as a non-profit, might be required to be licensed. But these these Catholic Workers are not non-profits, and not &quot;churches.&quot; I don&#039;t think that private citizens, not operating as a non-profit or any sort of corporation, should be under extra government control for doing their Christian duty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if you&#8217;re not a homeless shelter? What if you have a house and house the homeless because it is your duty as a Christian? Do you think anyone who houses a non-relative should be licensed? This seems silly to me.</p>
<p>What if you have a county, like Orange County, that&#8217;s not serious about seeing that every child has a place to live? Is it better for a child to have a crowded, home, or no home at all?</p>
<p>I can understand why a group that receives government money, or operates as a non-profit, might be required to be licensed. But these these Catholic Workers are not non-profits, and not &#8220;churches.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think that private citizens, not operating as a non-profit or any sort of corporation, should be under extra government control for doing their Christian duty.</p>
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