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> <channel><title>Comments on: What keeps me awake at night</title> <atom:link href="http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/</link> <description>&#34;When things speed up hierarchy disappears and global theater sets in.&#34; --Marshall McLuhan</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:46:19 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-533</link> <dc:creator>Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-533</guid> <description>Whilst trying to find John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#8216;The Israel Lobby&#8217;&lt;/a&gt; in the &lt;i&gt;London Review of Books&lt;/i&gt;, I came across this (yet another) fine piece of Slavoj Žižek&#039;s buttock-kicking, an act he does so often with such casual insightfulness: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n07/zize01_.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#8216;Nobody has to be vile&#8217;&lt;/a&gt;, the title after Thomas Friedman, one of the several recipients of this intimate treatment, a gentle antidote against the chocolate-flavoured laxative.  I wonder where dear Slavoj would place Daniel Cohn-Bendit and Joschka Fischer, two German Green veterans of May 1968?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst trying to find John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt&#8217;s <a
href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html" rel="nofollow">&lsquo;The Israel Lobby&rsquo;</a> in the <i>London Review of Books</i>, I came across this (yet another) fine piece of Slavoj Žižek&#8217;s buttock-kicking, an act he does so often with such casual insightfulness: <a
href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n07/zize01_.html" rel="nofollow">&lsquo;Nobody has to be vile&rsquo;</a>, the title after Thomas Friedman, one of the several recipients of this intimate treatment, a gentle antidote against the chocolate-flavoured laxative.  I wonder where dear Slavoj would place Daniel Cohn-Bendit and Joschka Fischer, two German Green veterans of May 1968?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-480</link> <dc:creator>Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 15:58:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-480</guid> <description>The James Martin 21st Century Foundation is the sole benefactor giving more than 10&#160;000&#160;000&#160;&lt;abbr title=&quot;pounds sterling&quot;&gt;GBP&lt;/abbr&gt; to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ox.ac.uk/aboutoxford/annualreview/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;University of Oxford in 2004/2005 (the online version of the &lt;i&gt;Annual Review&lt;/i&gt; somehow does not include the list of benefactors)&lt;/a&gt;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The James Martin 21st Century Foundation is the sole benefactor giving more than 10&nbsp;000&nbsp;000&nbsp;<abbr
title="pounds sterling">GBP</abbr> to the <a
href="http://www.ox.ac.uk/aboutoxford/annualreview/" rel="nofollow">University of Oxford in 2004/2005 (the online version of the <i>Annual Review</i> somehow does not include the list of benefactors)</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-479</link> <dc:creator>Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:59:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-479</guid> <description>Hi Adam &#8211; regarding &quot;reasonable constraints on businesses&quot;, I wonder what you (and others) think about the new kind of structure introduced by the United Kingdom called the &#8220;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_interest_company&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;community interest company&lt;/a&gt;&#8221;?  (I think it is a glorified version of the co-operative.) Also, what about the call of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.corporate-responsibility.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;acronym title=&quot;Corporate Responsibility&quot;&gt;CORE&lt;/acronym&gt; Coalition&lt;/a&gt;, which includes what is called the &#8220;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_bottom_line&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;triple bottom line&lt;/a&gt;&#8221;? Cheers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adam &ndash; regarding &#8220;reasonable constraints on businesses&#8221;, I wonder what you (and others) think about the new kind of structure introduced by the United Kingdom called the &ldquo;<a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_interest_company" rel="nofollow">community interest company</a>&rdquo;?  (I think it is a glorified version of the co-operative.) Also, what about the call of the <a
href="http://www.corporate-responsibility.org/" rel="nofollow"><acronym
title="Corporate Responsibility">CORE</acronym> Coalition</a>, which includes what is called the &ldquo;<a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_bottom_line" rel="nofollow">triple bottom line</a>&rdquo;? Cheers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-478</link> <dc:creator>Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:50:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-478</guid> <description>This weekend on a walk organized by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sageoxford.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sage&lt;/a&gt;, I had the privilege to meet Dr&#160;Donald M Bruce who attended the James Martin conference as a speaker and (in his own words) &#8216;a party pooper&#8217;. The Church of Scotland certainly is fulfiling its prophetic function by paying him to be the Director of its &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.srtp.org.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Society, Religion and Technology Project&lt;/a&gt;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This weekend on a walk organized by <a
href="http://www.sageoxford.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">Sage</a>, I had the privilege to meet Dr&nbsp;Donald M Bruce who attended the James Martin conference as a speaker and (in his own words) &lsquo;a party pooper&rsquo;. The Church of Scotland certainly is fulfiling its prophetic function by paying him to be the Director of its <a
href="http://www.srtp.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">Society, Religion and Technology Project</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link> <dc:creator>Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:07:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-461</guid> <description>Yes.  With the vocabulary of Herman Dooyeweerd:  Pushing ideology too far, namely the absolutization of a certain modal aspect &#8211; in the cases of both Marxism and capitalism, the aspect being the &#8220;economical&#8221; &#8211; is idolatry, and far from shalom.
I am glad of the discussions here.  Things are clearer now.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.  With the vocabulary of Herman Dooyeweerd:  Pushing ideology too far, namely the absolutization of a certain modal aspect &ndash; in the cases of both Marxism and capitalism, the aspect being the &ldquo;economical&rdquo; &ndash; is idolatry, and far from shalom.</p><p>I am glad of the discussions here.  Things are clearer now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam (Southern California)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link> <dc:creator>Adam (Southern California)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:59:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-460</guid> <description>&quot;Marxism and Capitalism alike share several of the same errors — e.g. a focus on economics, denial of the dignity of the human person and of Creation.&quot;
True. Indeed, it is important to not measure a person&#039;s worth by their &quot;usefulness.&quot; As a corollary, we should be aware that the economic decisions we make have human consequences. The trap of capitalistic thinking is in seeing market forces as inherently good. This is the blind spot of Milton Friedman - he&#039;s so enamored of his system that he has absolute faith in its ability to *eventually*, through market forces, create better lives for people. If we take this thinking at face value, it can absolve us of a responsibility to work directly for a better world rather than waiting for a better world to &quot;trickle down&quot; to everyone else.
No, market forces are not an inherent good, they are merely a useful mechanism. The goal must be a better, more just world with dignity for all. Where a capitalist structure works as a means to a good end, then we should support it, but where capitalism leads to the degradation and exploitation of people, we must reject it, or make the deliberate corrections necessary.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Marxism and Capitalism alike share several of the same errors — e.g. a focus on economics, denial of the dignity of the human person and of Creation.&#8221;</p><p>True. Indeed, it is important to not measure a person&#8217;s worth by their &#8220;usefulness.&#8221; As a corollary, we should be aware that the economic decisions we make have human consequences. The trap of capitalistic thinking is in seeing market forces as inherently good. This is the blind spot of Milton Friedman &#8211; he&#8217;s so enamored of his system that he has absolute faith in its ability to *eventually*, through market forces, create better lives for people. If we take this thinking at face value, it can absolve us of a responsibility to work directly for a better world rather than waiting for a better world to &#8220;trickle down&#8221; to everyone else.</p><p>No, market forces are not an inherent good, they are merely a useful mechanism. The goal must be a better, more just world with dignity for all. Where a capitalist structure works as a means to a good end, then we should support it, but where capitalism leads to the degradation and exploitation of people, we must reject it, or make the deliberate corrections necessary.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-459</link> <dc:creator>Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:38:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-459</guid> <description>I cannot quite remember whether those were Schumacher&#039;s exact words nor be sure that he was the first to use that phrase, but it seems a nice way to put it in our soundbite culture.  In any case, I highly recommend the book &lt;i&gt;Small Is Beautiful&lt;/i&gt;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot quite remember whether those were Schumacher&#8217;s exact words nor be sure that he was the first to use that phrase, but it seems a nice way to put it in our soundbite culture.  In any case, I highly recommend the book <i>Small Is Beautiful</i>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam (Southern California)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link> <dc:creator>Adam (Southern California)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:32:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-458</guid> <description>Good quote, Kaihsu!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good quote, Kaihsu!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link> <dc:creator>Dr Kaihsu Tai (Oxford, England)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:17:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-457</guid> <description>Indeed! &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._F._Schumacher&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;St&#160;Fritz&lt;/a&gt; pointed out as early as the 1970s the necessity of virtues and the futility of designing economic systems &quot;so perfect that nobody needs to be good&quot;.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed! <a
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._F._Schumacher" rel="nofollow">St&nbsp;Fritz</a> pointed out as early as the 1970s the necessity of virtues and the futility of designing economic systems &#8220;so perfect that nobody needs to be good&#8221;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bob Waldrop</title><link>http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/04/night/comment-page-1/#comment-456</link> <dc:creator>Bob Waldrop</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.PieAndCoffee.org/2006/01/03/night/#comment-456</guid> <description>Regarding growth, as they say, unbridled growth is the ideology of a cancer cell, at least in physical terms.  To quote an advertisement for a major computer computer, we can &quot;grow big or grow small&quot;.
Marxism and Capitalism alike share several of the same errors -- e.g. a focus on economics, denial of the dignity of the human person and of Creation.   They are both &quot;structures of sin&quot; that enable evil.  They are created by the myriad of decisions and actions of human persons.
A more sustainable way of living would focus on the dignity of the human person and all Creation.  It would recognize and enable virtues like temperance and penalize and discourage evils like gluttony.
I don&#039;t know all the details of this, because it doesn&#039;t exist now and has never existed in the past.  I do know, however, that we are creating structures of goodness, wisdom, and sustainability when we reject gluttony and embrace temperance, when we do the works of mercy, justice, and peace.  As well as, of course, when we bake mulberry pie.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding growth, as they say, unbridled growth is the ideology of a cancer cell, at least in physical terms.  To quote an advertisement for a major computer computer, we can &#8220;grow big or grow small&#8221;.</p><p>Marxism and Capitalism alike share several of the same errors &#8212; e.g. a focus on economics, denial of the dignity of the human person and of Creation.   They are both &#8220;structures of sin&#8221; that enable evil.  They are created by the myriad of decisions and actions of human persons.</p><p>A more sustainable way of living would focus on the dignity of the human person and all Creation.  It would recognize and enable virtues like temperance and penalize and discourage evils like gluttony.</p><p>I don&#8217;t know all the details of this, because it doesn&#8217;t exist now and has never existed in the past.  I do know, however, that we are creating structures of goodness, wisdom, and sustainability when we reject gluttony and embrace temperance, when we do the works of mercy, justice, and peace.  As well as, of course, when we bake mulberry pie.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
